UTOKing with Gregg Podcast

This podcast is devoted to exploring visions of knowledge and wisdom in the 21st Century. The podcast is framed by the concept of "dialogos," which refers to a form of reflective dialogue that cultivates deep interpersonal relating and existential insight and understanding. UTOKing is, of course, a play on words and references the Unified Theory of Knowledge.

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Introduction to UTOKing with Gregg: Podcast History and Overview

In this introduction and overview, Gregg recounts the history that led him to launch this podcast. It narrates both the development of the Unified Theory of Knowledge (UTOK) and it provides the context for how he came to be connected with new emerging communities (e.g., Game B, metamodern, Rebel Wisdom, Intellectual Deep/Dark Web).

Here is the link to the audio podcast.


Episode 1: UTOKing with John Vervaeke April 15, 2021

Title: The Value of Dialogos

In this first episode of UTOKing, Gregg is joined by John Vervaeke to discuss the synergy that is emerging between John's integrative approach to cognitive science and the UTOK metapsychology. They introduce the concept of dialogos, recount aspects of their respective journeys, articulate what it means to seek a coherent naturalistic ontology that can revitalize the soul and spirit in the 21st Century.

For a 3 minute clip, see here: https://youtu.be/m8gnJiBTpNo

John's YouTube channel is here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpqDUjTsof-kTNpnyWper_Q

John's Facebook is here: https://www.facebook.com/VervaekeJohn

Episode 2: UTOKing with Layman Pascal April 19, 2021

Title: "The Greatest Conversation in the History of Discourse"

In Episode 2, Gregg welcomes Layman Pascal. The title is taken from the opening exchange, where the two set the bar of expectation for what follows. Layman recounts his journey into philosophy and mysticism and his desire to connect many perspectives together. The linkages between metamodernism, integral theory, and the UTOK metapsychology are explored, and they highlight possible visions for a religion that is not a religion in the 21st Century.

Three minute clip of the conversation on the future of religion

The Integral Stage YouTube Channel; Layman's Facebook Page

Episode 3: UTOKing with Bruce Alderman April 22, 2021

Title: Toward a Sacred Naturalism

In Episode 3, Gregg welcomes Bruce Alderman. Bruce is a philosopher and spiritual seeker who has deep knowledge of many Eastern traditions and Integral Theory, and he cohosts the Integral Stage with Layman. Bruce shares his journey and how he became interested in metaphysics and developed his approach to Integral Grammatology. Gregg and Bruce then engage in a dialogos that explores the intersection of their worldviews and the implications of achieving a healthy sacred naturalism in the 21st Century.

Three minute clip on learning from other traditions.

Bruce's Facebook page; Bruce on his Integral Grammatology.

Episode 4: UTOKing with Rob Scott April 26, 2021

Title: Understanding the Fundamental Shift

In Episode 4, Gregg welcomes Rob Scott. Rob is a coach and philosopher who has developed a powerful philosophy on living that he calls "The Fundamental Shift." It involves stepping outside of the lenses of our thoughts and how they shape what we see and achieve a greater awareness on how we shape what we see and how we can use that knowledge to adopt more functional lenses that allow us to get a more optimal grip on our relationship with the world.

A brief clip describing the process of becoming aware of the lenses we bring to the world.

Check out Rob's work here.

Episode 5: UTOKing with Lene Rachel Andersen April 29, 2021

Title: Building Bildung in the 21st Century

In Episode 5, Gregg welcomes Lene Rachel Andersen. Lene is a futurist, philosopher, and award winning author of several books, including The Nordic Secret: A European Story of Beauty and Freedom, and Metamodernity: Meaning and Hope in a Complex World. Lene is a leader of the European Bildung Network, which promotes the concept of "bildung," which refers to the interplay between education and knowledge that are necessary for a thriving society. In this interview, she shares her vision for a metamodern society shaped by the educational philosophy of bildung.

Here is brief clip on her vision for government and reflective politics.

The European Bildung Network; Lene Rachel Andersen's homepage.

Episode 6: UTOKing with David Fuller May 2, 2021

Title: Surveying the Sense-Making Communities

In Episode 6, Gregg welcomes David Fuller. David is a professional journalist, reporter, documentary filmmaker and writer who is a leader in the alternative sense-making communities. He is founder of Rebel Wisdom and has spearheaded the conversation about the kinds of changes we may be seeing or need to see in the world in the 21st Century. In this conversation, he and Gregg talk about their respective journeys, their opinions and experiences regarding the Jordan Peterson phenomena and the future trajectory of this metamodern, Game B, integral-unified space.

Here is a clip where David speaks about the trajectory of the media. Here is one where Gregg speaks about Jordan Peterson.

Here is David Fuller's homepage.

Episode 7: UTOKing with Tomas Björkman May 6, 2021

Title: Toward a Metamodern Worldview

In Episode 7, Gregg welcomes Tomas Björkman. Tomas is an applied philosopher and social entrepreneur. He is author/coauthor of several books, including The Nordic Secret: A European Story of Beauty and Freedom, and The World We Create: From God to Market. He is a leader in the metamodern space and has contributed to many crucial ventures, such as Rebel Wisdom, the WhatIsEmerging Platform, and Perspectiva. In this conversation, he and Gregg discuss the crucial point the world is at and how a new worldview might be emerging that can helpfully frame this transition.

Here is brief clip on their discussion about emerging worldviews.

Tomas Björkman's home page.

Episode 8: UTOKing with Zak Stein May 13, 2021

Title: The Consilience Project and Moving Toward a Coherent Metapsychology in the 21st Century

In Episode 8, Gregg welcomes Zak Stein. Zak is a writer, futurist and educational philosopher and a leading sense-maker in the emerging metamodern space. He is author of Education in a Time Between Worlds: Essays on the Future of Schools, Technology, and Society and Social Justice and Educational Measurement: John Rawls, the History of Testing, and the Future of Education. In this conversation, he shares with Gregg his journey, his vision of a metapsychology that embraces skill development, ensoulment and transcendence, and his work on the Consilience Project and its vision for a cultural renaissance and new approach to media.

Here is a brief clip about justification systems in a fragmented media landscape.

Here is Zak's homepage.

Episode 9: UTOKing with Alexander Bard May 17, 2021

Title: Dark Renaissance versus Enlightenment 2.0

In Episode 9, Gregg welcomes Alexander Bard. He is a philosopher, music producer, and highly sought-after international lecturer. He is the author of the highly successful The Futurica Trilogy - co-written with media theorist Jan Söderqvist, and more recently Syntheism: Creating God in the Internet Age and Digital Libido. He founded the Intellectual Deep Web list serve, which is an active discussion group that brings leading thinkers and futurists together. In this UTOKing dialogos, the two explore their visions for the future, framed by Bard's Dark Renaissance and Gregg's Enlightenment 2.0, and the relationship between psychology, science and philosophy.

Here is a clip exploring their respective visions for the future.

Here are links to Alexander Bard on Twitter and Wiki.

Episode 10: UTOKing with Tim Adalin May 20, 2021

Title: A Deep Dive into the Current and Future State of Humanity

In Episode 10, Gregg welcomes Tim Adalin. Tim is a philosopher and a significant "live player" in the emerging sense-making space. He is the curator of the Voicecraft podcast explores the art of philosophy with visionaries and resonant souls. In this dialogos, he and Gregg explore the "kairos" of the moment and how the world is in the midst of a major transformation.

Here is a clip where Gregg and Tim riff on the future of humanity.

Here is Tim on Twitter and here is the link to Voicecraft Channel on YouTube.


Episode 11: UTOKing with Greg Thomas May 24, 2021

Title: Cultivating the Blues Idiom Wisdom Tradition

In Episode 11, Gregg welcomes Greg Thomas. He is a philosopher, writer, teacher, and entrepreneur. He is CEO of the Jazz Leadership Project, and a senior fellow for the Institute for Cultural Evolution. Since the pandemic and social uprising, he has been featured on a range of online platforms discussing race, culture, and leadership, including Rebel Wisdom, The Daily Evolver, Aligned Center, Coaches Rising, and Integral Life. His blog is Tune In To Leadership. In March, Greg and Gregg hosted the Body and Soul series at the Stoa.

Here is a clip where he elaborates on the Blues Idiom Wisdom Tradition.

Here is Greg on Twitter; here is his profile at the Jazz Leadership Project.

Episode 12: UTOKing with Steve Quackenbush May 31, 2021

Title: The Problem of Value in Psychology

In Episode 12, Gregg welcomes Steve Quackenbush. Steve is a professor of psychology and Associate Provost and Dean of Arts & Science at the University of Maine at Farmington. He has long-standing scholarly interests in human development, narrative approaches, existential philosophy and reflecting on the problem of human values in psychological science. He is an award winning teacher, and a long time executive member of the Theory Of Knowledge Society. Much of this UTOKing episode explores how the complex theories might be transformed for a more general audience so they can apply the insights in a practical way.

Here is a clip where Steve talks about how generativity is the antidote of depression.

Here is Steve's homepage at the University of Maine at Farmington.

Episode 13: UTOKing with Manuel Manga June 7, 2021

Title: Leading Toward Conscious Evolution

In Episode 13, Gregg welcomes Manuel Manga. He is an organizational consultant, facilitator, and leadership coach with international experience. He is a founder of the Center for Evolutionary Leadership. In this episode, Manuel explores with Gregg his journey learning from pioneers like Buckminster Fuller, Jonas Salk, Humberto Maturana, and Fernando Flores. The conversation then evolves to the current state of the world and visions for a sustainable global village.

Here is a clip where Manuel discusses the nature of the human condition and leading into the next global age.

Here is Manuel's Facebook page and here is the link to the Center for Evolutionary Leadership.

Episode 14: UTOKing with Nick Jankel June 14, 2021

Title: Repairing the Mind/Body Schism

In Episode 14, Gregg welcomes Nick Jankel. Nick is a philosopher, keynote speaker and co-founder of Switch On. He is also the author of several books including Spiritual Atheist and Switch On: Unleash Your Creativity and Thrive with the New Science & Spirit of Breakthrough. In this moving conversation, Nick shares his intellectual, emotional, and spiritual journey to develop wisdom and connection. He and Gregg discuss how similar their worldviews are and why a scientific worldview is very commensurate with a transcendent spiritual orientation toward wise living.

Here is a clip where Nick and Gregg discuss the need for a revamped view of mind, body and spirit.

Here is the link to Switch On; and here is his twitter feed.

Episode 15: UTOKing with Daniel Fraga and Owen Cox June 21, 2021

Title: The TechnoSocial Singularity

In Episode 15, Gregg welcomes Daniel Fraga and Owen Cox. Founders of the TechnoSocial Podcast, Owen and Daniel are on the leading edge of thought exploring how new technologies will reshape human societies and allow humans to redesign themselves. In this episode, they explore the concept of "the singularity" as a powerful symbol of the transition to the digital age, and note how it intersects with technology, social organization, and the 5th joint point on the ToK System.

Here is a clip where they explore the facets of the 21st Century singularity.

Here is the link to the TechnoSocial podcast.

Episode 16: UTOKing with Andre Marquis June 28, 2021

Title: Toward a Unified Vision of Psychotherapy

In Episode 16, Gregg welcomes Andre Marquis. Andre is a professor, philosopher, author, and psychotherapist. He is an expert in applying Ken Wilber's Integral Theory to the field of psychotherapy. He is a member of the TOK Exec Committee, and he and Gregg have been long time friends and both leading members of the unified psychotherapy movement. In this episode, Andre shares his journey through various spiritual traditions and they explore the future of a unified view of psychotherapy from both Integral Theory and UTOK.

Here is a clip where Andre and Gregg discuss how to think about psychotherapy.

Here is a link to Andre's recent book on Integral Psychotherapy, and here is his home page.

Episode 17: UTOKing with Christopher Mastropietro July 12, 2021

Title: Potential Seeds and Missing Pieces

In Episode 17, Gregg welcomes Christopher Mastropietro, a scholar who joined Gregg and John Vervaeke on the Elusive "I" and explored the existential implications of the emerging model. He also co-authored with John the book, Zombies in Western Culture: A Twentieth Century Crisis. In this episode, Chris narrates his journey in existential philosophy and the nature of meaning, and then the discussion turns to the UTOK and the need for new sense making in the 21st Century.

Here is a clip where they explore how the UTOK is framed in relationship to "exo-naturalistic" claims and potential realities.

Episode 18: UTOKing with Waldemar Schmidt July 19, 2021

Title: Reflections on Being Human; Past, Present and Future

In Episode 18, Gregg welcomes Waldemar Schmidt. Dr. Waldemar Schmidt is Professor Emeritus at Oregon Health and Science University. He is the author of multiple peer-reviewed articles and the founder and editor of Cytopathology Annual, and the author of Principles and Techniques in Surgical Pathology. After retiring from a career in academic medicine (Pathology) he has been exploring and writing on human psychology and psychiatry. He is a founding member of the Theory of Knowledge Society. In this episode, Waldemar shares his reflections on the human condition and the need for a new view to cultivate wisdom and understanding in the 21st Century.

Here is a clip where he and Gregg discuss how to think the human condition and its future.

Episode 19: UTOKing with John Vervaeke July 26, 2021

Title: Special Edition: Introduction to the iQuad Coin

In Episode 19, Gregg welcomes back John Vervaeke for a new kind of UTOKing episode. This "special edition" is the first of a three part dialogos with John about the iQuad Coin. The Coin is a crucial piece of the UTOK philosophy that represents a symbolic placeholder for the unique human person as a subjective agent. In Part I, we explore how the Coin is framed in terms of the "human identity function" and the way it represents human consciousness in the cosmos. Later episodes will elucidate that core sub-functions of the Coin and how it provides a logos path to wisdom energy. Per usual, John is an excellent interlocutor and is able to see how the Coin might function as a “talisman of transformation.”

See here for the slide deck that was presented in this episode.

Episode 20: UTOKing with Alexander Elung August 2, 2021

Title: A Dialogos on the Nature of Emergence

In Episode 20, Gregg welcomes Alexander Elung. Alexander Elung is a screenwriter and composer based in Copenhagen, Denmark. He is currently writing a play about Carl Jung and composing music for a play based on Emilie Brontes novel Wuthering Heights. Alexander is a member of the philosophy forum IDW and have amongst other things been active in the development of transcendental emergentism, along with Alexander Bard. In this episode, he and Gregg explore the similarities and differences on the concept of emergence between his vision and that afforded by UTOK. As such, this episode gives listeners a deep dive into key metaphysical concepts.

Episode 21: UTOKing with Marv Goldfried and Paul Wachtel August 9, 2021

Title: Psychotherapy Integration: Past, Present and Future

In Episode 21, Gregg welcomes Marv Goldfried and Paul Wachtel. Both are Distinguished Professors of psychology and leading figures in the psychotherapy integration movement. In this episode, they share with Gregg the story of how they came together and co-founded the Society for the Exploration of Psychotherapy Integration, for which Gregg is the current President Elect. In addition, the three explore whether there is a "common core" that can define psychotherapy and what the future of the field looks like.

Here is a clip where they discuss the founding of SEPI.

Here is Paul's home page and here is Marv's.

Episode 22: UTOKing with Nicholas Maxwell August 16, 2021

Title: From Knowledge to Wisdom

In Episode 22, Gregg welcomes Professor Nicholas Maxell. He is a British philosopher who has devoted much of his working life to arguing that there is an urgent need to bring about a revolution in academia so that it seeks and promotes wisdom and does not just acquire knowledge. For nearly thirty years he taught philosophy of science at University College London, where he is now Emeritus Reader. In 2003 he founded Friends of Wisdom, an international group of people sympathetic to the idea that academic inquiry should help humanity acquire more wisdom by rational means. In this episode, he recounts his story and shares his vision for why science lost its way by ignoring metaphysics and why the academy should be grounded in an "aim-oriented empiricism" that is oriented toward the cultivation of wisdom.

Here is his homepage and here is the Friends of Wisdom Homepage.

Episode 23: UTOKing with Michael Kazanjian August 23, 2021

Title: Toward a Unified Philosophy

In Episode 23, Gregg welcomes Professor Michael Kazanjian. Michael M. Kazanjian teaches philosophy at Triton College in Illinois. He has published extensively, and his writing has appeared in numerous publications including the Environmental and Architectural Phenomenology Newsletter and Contemporary Philosophy. He is author of the book Unified Philosophy: Interdisciplinary Metaphysics, Cyberethics, and Liberal Arts, which offers a new vision of metaphysics that can potentially unify many different fields. In this exchange, he and Gregg discuss this work and its overlap with UTOK.

Episode 24: UTOKing with Zevi Slavin August 30, 2021

Title: The Art of Uniting with Reality

In Episode 24, Gregg welcomes the scholar Zevi Slavin. Zevi grew up in an Orthodox, Jewish, Hasidic family and discovered that other religions had mystical traditions that he found to be amazingly similar to his tradition. He began to share his teachings on the YouTube Channel Seekers of Unity. Gregg first heard about him through John Vervaeke, and he joined Zevi for a conversation on his journey (here). Zevi returns the favor and the two demonstrate the remarkable correspondence between the mystical tradition as Zevi understands it and the knowledge into wisdom path that emerges via UTOK.

Here is a 10 minute clip on the nature of mysticism. Here is the podcast on podbean.

Here is Zevi's YouTube channel, Seekers of Unity.

Episode 25: UTOKing with Adriana Forte Naili September 6, 2021

Title: Transcend and "Yinclude"

In Episode 25, Gregg welcomes the facilitator and coach Adriana Forte Naili. Adriana has been teaching workshops on feminine empowerment and leadership for years. She is a coach and a qualified Integral Semantics Facilitator. She co-founded Fully Human and the Good Cycle, and currently facilitates developmental retreats in Brazil, coaches individual clients, holds online groups and facilitates online programs for women. In this conversation, she and Gregg explore her journey into the feminine, and her philosophy for being and for understanding the menstrual cycle. They also explore the relation between masculine and feminine energies and ways of being in the world.

See here for a clip on the masculine and feminine. See here for the podcast on podbean.

See here for the Fully Human website, and here for the Good Cycle.

Episode 26: UTOKing with Jordan Hall September 9, 2021

Title: 5th Dimensional Paragliding

In Episode 26, Gregg welcomes Jordan Hall. He is co-founder and Executive Chairman of the Neurohacker Collective. He has a long and successful history of building disruptive technology companies, and has interests in contemporary philosophy, artificial intelligence and complex systems science, and the coevolution of human civilization and technology. He has been a frequent guest on Rebel Wisdom and is in the process of launching The Civium Project. In this episode, he and Gregg "sync up" their vocabularies regarding the evolution of complexification, "dive" into the metaphor of paragliding, and discuss the unfolding wave of causation and how and why now is the time to wake up and start the process of consciously evolving into a new way of being in the 21st Century.

Here is Jordan's YouTube Channel, and here is his Medium blog Deep Code, and here is this podcast on Podbean.

Episode 27: UTOKing with Kirk Schneider September 13, 2021

Title: An Existential Humanistic Vision for Psychology

In Episode 27, Gregg welcomes Kirk Schneider. Dr. Schneider is a licensed psychologist and leading spokesperson for contemporary existential-humanistic and integrative approaches in psychology. He is past editor of the Journal of Humanistic Psychology, adjunct faculty at Teachers College, Columbia University, and president of the Existential-Humanistic Institute (EHI). He is currently a candidate for the Presidency of the American Psychological Association. In this episode, he shares his story and they explore their overlapping visions for the future of the field.

See here for a clip on the state of politics and division. See here for the podcast on podbean.

See here for Kirk's homepage.

Episode 28: UTOKing with Bruce Alderman, iQuad Edition September 20, 2021

Title: Exploring the iQuad Coin, Part I

In Episode 28, Gregg welcomes back Bruce Alderman. Bruce is a philosopher and spiritual seeker who has deep knowledge of many Eastern traditions and Integral Theory, and he cohosts the Integral Stage with Layman. In this episode, Gregg starts giving Bruce a tour of the iQuad Coin. The iQuad Coin a key construct in UTOK, as it works with the Tree of Knowledge System to generate a new wholistic metaphysical frame for both first person and third person empirical positions. However, it needs more development and so Bruce is helping Gregg elaborate on the construct. Next week, Part II will be shared, which deepens the tour. The goal is to start to metaphorically distribute coins to cultivate the currency of wisdom energy.

Here is the episode on podbean.

Bruce's Facebook page; Bruce on his work on Integral Grammatology.